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    October 28, 2013
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kiernen and andrew ross sorkin. the dow futures look like they're up by 36 points above fair value. the s&p futures are up by 3.8 points. among the catalysts that we have for the rally, earnings reports. half of the s&p 500 earnings are posting higher. 68% of the firms beat expectations. 54% beat revenue estimates. if all of the companies remaining report in line with estimates, earnings will be up 3.4% from last year's third quarter. on today's earnings quarter, we have dow and merck. as for the economy, we'll be getting industrial production numbers. pending home sales. dallas fed manufacturing survey.
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also, toyota talking about under the hood, keeping its top spot in auto sales rankings so far this year topping rivals gm and volkswagen. japanese car sales topping 7.4
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million vehicles. that's up .1% from a year ago. strong sales in the u.s. offset slowdowns in thailand and china. joe, what's going on in washington? in washington this week the redskins are probably dealing with what was a disappointing -- because they were ahead. they were ahead by two touchdowns right at the beginning of the second half and things went south quickly. so you only saw five minutes of the jets game. >> no, i know what happened. congratulations. >> thank you. i'm not looking for congratulations really. it's been a long time. people are talking about 25 years since the joe montana beat -- when the bengals got -- and i asked my kids to watch. they were watching when carson palmer's knee got blown out on the first play. they were watching last year when houston killed -- this really -- they really looked good yesterday. typical of the new york papers, it was geno.
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it was geno's two interceptions. it wasn't the 49 points. gosh, if geno. it's always so self-centered. the jets brought this on themselves. it wasn't 49 to -- they really looked good. andy dalton. in washington this week, i asked andrew, is there anything i can talk to you about. world series, nfl. anything but henry sorkin in central park. >> homeland from a week ago. >> not a single nfl game. i saw my children and i saw captain phillips. >> my children were there. we did a lot together. we skated. we did a lot. we did some tennis, indoor tennis. >> indoor? >> indoor tennis. it was cold outdoors. in washington, budget talks set to begin. an editorial in the wall street journal caught my attention.
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do you have a column tomorrow? >> i do. is this your column? >> i'm going try to get you to write this column because we need to try to -- i really do want to rise above and i really do want to win the u.s. back. how do we rise above the world's other economies? how do we compete with the other world's economies? how do we win the u.s. back in terms of manufacturing and jobs? what got me this weekend was a report highlighted in "the wall street journal" called u.s. corporations pay 35%. the reason for this is that the myth still persists that we have a 35% rate but nobody pays it. here's one of the reasons why. there was a study done by the gao that focused on 2010, one year, came up with 12.6%. go back down. i'm going to read it. don't panic. senator carl levin, a one man wrecking crew, this is in it, of american -- i like that. senator carl levin, a one man
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wrecking crew of job creation, declared that this study that came out of 12% declared that america's large profitable corporations are paying a lower tax rate than our teachers and firefighters. this went back and said, look, this isn't the way to do it, not one year, because it followed the recession. it followed 2008 and 2009. you remember ge and other corporations? the entire financial sector had a lot of writeoffs. he did a different study. he went back and did 2004 to 2010, he counted all taxes paid worldwide, including state, including foreign, and the effective tax rate of all u.s. corporations exceeded 35% from 2004 to 2010. the other thing he found out was since 1997 all the leading economies of the world, 31 out of 34 have cut their corporate tax rates to attract job. >> did you say that includes foreign taxes too?
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>> includes foreign taxes. >> i mean, don't we only care about taxes paid here in the united states? >> why, because that's all we collect? >> yeah. it doesn't matter if we collect, it matters how competitive -- >> it matters if you're looking at u.s. tax receipts. if you're looking at u.s. -- >> doesn't it matter whether u.s. corporations are tax zblabl it matters if they're paying in the united states if that's what they produced and paid in the united states. >> you're talking about the tax rate that they're paying globally. a lot of their operations are outside the u.s. >> we don't control what's outside of the u.s. they're going to say they're basing themselves in the -- >> what they collect has nothing to do with what the corporations are paying. >> in the united states? >> they're paying above 35% total. >> just so we're clear, you're saying they're paying above 35% everywhere in the world on average? >> on average on money they make they're pay 35g%. >> then you're not going to like this comment. if their ultimate rate is over
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35% globally, the argument that you need to then lower the rate in the united states to be competitive becomes less -- less important. >> no. they're paying -- you look at what we're paying on what we earn in the united states. >> right. >> our corporate tax register everywhere else is closer to 21% total. ours is 35% total. our guys have to pay 35% around the world. >> but if you're saying that with the global -- so like apple -- >> if the global average is 21% but they're pay 35g% does that mean they're paying 45% here. >> the rest of the countries, that's what they're paying on their total earnings for investments. we're paying 29%. i'm he not saying -- i'm not looking at receipts and saying they're not paying their fair share here in the united states. there are reasons why they have operations in other parts of the world. we know that's true. they're paying taxes in other
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parts of the world. >> i don't understand why we include foreign if you're looking at what u.s. corporations are paying. that's the only part that we can control though. if it's stuff that they're paying to other nations and things that go in, i don't understand why we would -- >> because you're trying to see out of total earnings -- >> we don't control what they pay to foreign nations. that's nothing to do with us. that's foreign tax laws. >> ours is 35% here. >> if you want to look at what they paid, i wouldn't include foreign. i'd love to see what they pay to the u.s. and other nations. >> they don't pay stuff to the u.s. because we're -- but we're induced to move our operations over there. >> i would like to see the breakdown between what they're paying here -- >> obviously they pay less on average in foreign countries but the total that they pay us -- >> means they pay above 35% here in the united states. >> right. >> i would love to see the breakdown. >> see what i mean? >> like -- >> but they can't be competitive. they can't be competitive with
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the rest of the world until we pay -- >> i think that is a smart study, 2004 to 2010 to see what they were paying. >> wouldn't do any good to look at what they were paying in the united states. >> sthant what the 2010 mums are? just the u.s.? >> look, the 35% plus is what you're paying on earnings. >> right. >> the rest of the world is not paying 35% plus. >> i would like to compare apples to apples. >> if it comes out above 35% with lower -- >> agreed. i would love to see the actual numbers. the 2010 i thought it was just u.s. that carl levin was looking at. i would love to see the just u.s. -- >> it's lower than everywhere else. >> you're talking actual versus effective rates. >> it's a problem and we're never going to be competitive. >> i would like to lower corporate tax rates. >> that's the one thing that we should do is lower -- well -- >> i agree.
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>> u.s. corporations pay 35 -- >> i've got to study it a little bit more. >> study it more. instead of borrowing more money from china, all the things that we think of that we're going to do, borrow more money from china to build bridges to nowhere, borrow more money, doing all of this, the one thing the government can do, if you want to close loopholes, fine. >> i'm in favor of that. >> close loopholes but lower the corporate tax rate. >> simpson bowles said that too. there's a lot of different things you could do if you close the loopholes. some corporations have fought back and said you can't close those loopholes. that would be the argument. >> when apple was getting grief in front of, again, i think it was carl levin -- >> apple pays more taxes than anybody. >> but they're also paying -- what they were arguing is they're not paying any taxes to these foreign -- there was outrage that they weren't paying taxes to foreign countries. you have to add up all the taxes you pay everywhere. it makes no sense to -- if half
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of your profits are coming from abroad, you're not going to pay taxes -- >> right. >> so if you do the calculation, why would it make sense to look at a corporation's tax rate just on what they pay here other than you saying you're looking at the receiving end but not the paying end. >> but when people look at ge, for example, it was about the u.s. tax rate, not about what they were paying. >> no, it was their total tax rate. they were saying zero. they were paying a lot of taxes worldwide. >> right, but it was zero here in the u.s. >> zero here in the u.s. >> exactly. >> it was also 2010. >> i completely agree with you. that's why i like the idea of the broad based study. >> what if only 20% of your profits come from the u.s.? >> if 20% -- why would you look at the u.s. >> it's interesting the u.s. tax rate versus other places. >> the competitiveness of the entity itself. if you only pay 20% here, it doesn't matter that only 20% -- you don't look at what the receiving end, you're looking at the paying end.
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>> the amount here versus the other nations. >> the reason it's 80% is because of the lower taxes over there. >> if you're paying 35% and your rates are lower elsewhere, what are you paying here? 45 and beyond? it must be much higher. >> it is. average state taxes 4%, 35 is the federal, you get to 39. >> across the pond is where we're going to get a little bit of news from the global markets this morning where i believe the effective tax rate at least in the u.k., ross, is -- well, is it lower or is it higher? ross, do you want to help us with that? >> well, the top rate of income tax is 45%. >> corporate. corporate rate, ross, what is it? >> corporate rates, well, they're coming down. the government's dropping them down to around 20% in a couple of years. >> 35. >> but then people say we don't pay 35, but we do pay 35. that's the thing. that's the whole point. piece. you do pay 35 globally. >> right. okay. ross? >> we have different rates as
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well for smaller companies and bigger companies, but they're trying to set corporate rate taxes as very competitive within the g-10 is the cameron government's view. meanwhile, here we are, guys. just over two hours into the trading day. we are, by the way, an hour earlier. we changed our clocks. there's only four hours between this week between us and you. we're closer in terms of time difference. pretty even stevens. five to five they've outpaced. nikkei rebounding from its big fall on friday. up 2% today. doesn't really follow through in europe. little bit of caution. the ftse 100 was up eight points on friday. slim gains. just up four points. ten points for the xetra dax. cac quarante. couple of stocks we've heard.
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let's get with tnt, logistics company. ups was trying to buy this company in january. the european committee blocked it. they may be working around it and the stock is up 4%. they say the european economy is recovering and it's fragile. bankia, they had possible bailed out. they had a $19 billion euro loss. they're back into profit. the bread and butter lending business still suffering. low interest rates eking into margins. credit decline. that stock down 3.25%. a storm blew here yesterday. up to 100 mile an hour winds in the u.k. the last time we had storms of that magnitude was the friday before black monday 1987. fortunately things are a lot better today than they were back
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then. joe, heads up for you. listen in on this. for the desert that is european sporting action, as you have rightly pointed out, we had some rain yesterday. 49ers playing the jaguars at wembly. thank goodness we had some decent sport to look at over the weekend. i know you were concerned about that. >> that really wasn't a football game yesterday, ross. in fact, the jaguars kind of played like a soccer team. what was the score when it was all over? >> i think it was like 42-10 to the 49ers. >> oh, their record is like -- they haven't won yet, have they? i don't think -- yeah. that was mean. the one -- we sort of send you the worst game. it's like we don't even care whether that game was played here, you know? the 49ers are in the super bowl last year and i don't think jacksonville, one of the last -- is there anyone else undefeated -- winless? i think may be the last winless
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team, i think. >> i do have -- >> give you a taste -- >> throw the ball forward though. >> you're allowed to do that. the weird thing, you can catch it with your hands, you know, instead of like -- you know, who even thought of that? you can only hit it with your head? that's like -- i don't know. you can use your hands. do you have hands, you might as well use them, right, ross? there's a lot i don't under -- >> just the forward thing. anyway, it was nice. it was nice. nice little cut away. >> better game for you. you had an earlier won in london that was a better game. thank you. >> yeah. both those teams had lost their first five games of the season. >> yeah. all right. well, you know, we're not goings to send you our best games. we wouldn't give you the bengals-jets game. >> 49-9. >> did you watch that? >> i was busy watching the redskins lose. >> i watched that. >> they had a stlot.
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>> they did. did you notice how many dropped passes. >> a lot. >> they looked bad. >> in the second. >> in terms of the receivers. >> griffin didn't look great. >> there was a punt too, the guy should have caught it. should have been a first down. there was a shank. a 15 yard punt. >> it got ugly. depressi depressing. >> do you understand my point here? >> of course. >> does it matter what the receiving end -- >> i went back and looked at it. carl levin, it was foreign included. they paid 16.9% with foreign taxes included. >> you're talking about total -- whether the corporate -- you guys are -- love -- you know, you worry about what the government takes in. receiving end. i'm talking about how much you're paying to be competitive. >> how much you're paying in the u.s. and other places. >> no, how much our companies are paying to stay competitive. if you're paying 35% plus total, 35% of your total earnings are going to taxes. >> my question is if you're looking at broader terms, what
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was it 2004 to 2010 they paid what? >> 35% plus. >> 35% plus on a worldwide basis. >> right. >> the question still becomes what are they paying in other nations and what they're paying here because the competitiveness is what you're paying here versus other places. >> that's why they're moving so much off shore. >> those numbers didn't exist there. it didn't say what they were pags here versus worldwide. what this is for 2010, they paid 12.6% in the united states. if you include foreign stuff, they were paying 16.9%. they were paying higher stuff in other nations if you included that. that was 2010, that was when there was a bunch of writeoffs. it's not fair to look at only 2010. >> he's said he would do it. he said 28, didn't he? >> for the corporate rate. >> they talked about doing it. you get into the loophole discussion. >> we're going to do gun control, immigration, climate change. >> i think you need corporate and individual. >> immigration.
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he's already raised -- >> he's raised the rate on individuals. do something with corporations. >> i think it would be a fantastic idea. >> of course in this country. you want lower overall -- there's no argument about that and how you get the overall rate. >> it would be fairer for smaller corporations that can't afford to have the accountants. >> you should write a column on it. what's your stupid column on today? you should write a column on it tomorrow. >> i'm preparing it now. >> jamie dimon. >> you're leading him. >> i saw the headline. >> you couldn't get this through your editor. >> i can get any -- >> no. >> not arguing for lower corporate taxes. >> that's easy. >> by the way, if you haven't figured it out already, we're joined by ben white. he is "morning money's" -- politico's -- >> he's my only ally. >> you're beltway ben.
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>> "morning money." you're wrong. i agree with the whole argument. i'm looking at the statistics. >> it's the overall burden that matters. a lot of it is based in the u.s. it would be to our competitive advantage to have a lower rate. >> it matters what samsung is paying. >> if it's an argument about competitiveness you want to be less. >> we are higher than most places and it's not helpful. >> the other thing we want to talk to you about this morning is what's happening with the health care law. again, it looks like there are some major glitches over the weekend. all 50 states got shut down over the weekend. what happened? >> all the ones that are on the federal exchange. healthcare.gov went down yesterday. this is not the first time we've seen significant problems with the federal website. state exchanges went okay. you have a pretty disastrous situation at the federal level. you need to start running up the numbers on people signing up before the march 31 deadline
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next year because insurance companies need to start racking up premiums so they can insure a lot of folks, the sicker folks coming on. the biggest problem is you need a lot of young, healthy people signing on to make the numbers work. they're not going to do that if they come to a website that doesn't work ever. they'll give up on it. now you have a lot of democrats saying we need to delay the individual mandate, the open enrollment. you have a series of technical problems and fundamental problems that are creating serious questions about whether this thing is going to work. >> the front page of the wall street journal today says it's an issue because there's nobody who's in charge. there is a lack of direction. a lot of different places. is kathleen sebelius ultimately in charge? >> not really. she doesn't seem to. now it's jeffrey zions who is sort of the hedman at the white house to get the thing running again. sebelius doesn't have all of the answers on the technical side.
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i don't know the extent to which she knows what's going wrong on the technical side. you're right, there was no one contractor in charge of making sure this was fully operational by day one. >> you can't penalize someone if they can't -- >> they can't buy it, right. >> they have to delay this. >> you have senate democrats who are running for re-election, you know, mary landru, mark prior, folks who are in stuff red states saying let's delay this. the white house is terrified of delay. they think it undermines the entire thing. it will start falling apart if they delay. you're absolutely right. how do you require somebody to buy something -- you wouldn't require somebody to buy a book on amazon if they -- >> is this a good headline or bad headline. >> obama unaware. >> it's a terrible headline. every time there's a problem in the administration obama is unaware. >> he's mad that he didn't know. >> he's mad about obama care. >> he's mad about --
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>> that we were spying. >> mad about the irs scandal. mad about benghazi. >> if you're obama, what is the answer on the merkel phone? >> what are you supposed to say? >> our bad. >> are you supposed to say our bad? >> personally to her you say our bad. >> the germans are furious, truly furious. >> by the way, since we did find out -- since he did find out about this they canceled some of them but not all. >> right. that's the funny thing in that story. >> now and in the future. >> we're not doing merkel but we won't say -- >> we did it in the past. no question. >> the germans don't do it. >> the germans don't do it. they say they don't do it. >> when you're in international espionage a lot of this stuff goes on that nobody says they do. >> be a big boy and say, you know what, life is what it is. chinese do it, germans do it, french do it, we all do it.
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>> there's outrage. it's an important ally. >> the germans -- >> the french, i think, are feigning outrage. >> you saw the story listening to previous german leaders talk. there are things going on we wanted to know about. >> right. >> did you read that? we were glad we were listening to some previous german leaders. they were getting schnookered by enemies to both countries. >> the idea that the president wouldn't be knowing what was going on in the german chancellor's phone? >> hear no evil. >> nobody tells you how they got the information. it's a report that we have the information. >> he knew generally -- >> generally that we spied on some foreign leaders but not necessarily -- >> he knew in 2010 and didn't do anything. they're saying that that's not true. >> i would say he should -- >> yeah. >> for five years -- >> george w. bush.
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all bush -- >> he hasn't gotten rid of any of the other stuff. we won't embrace him yet, you know, bush and cheney are squishy. very squishy. >> cheney is all over it right now. >> ben, thanks for coming in. >> thank you, beltway ben. >> i could. >> stick around for a little bit. >> can i just sit in your chair? >> we've got to go. when we come back the hacking stories continue. we'll talk about the british tab blo bloid business that's going on trial. that and a whole lot more when we come back.
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time now for the executive edge. this is a daily segment focused on giving business leaders the leg up. we start out in london. that's where two former top editors from rupert mourdock's empire go on trial. rebekah brooks and andy coulson go on trial. it could lead to more revelations with the competitive world of british tabloid journalism including relationships with the political elite. >> one is whether we've learned somehow that this is connected in a way of the mourdock family in ways that we didn't appreciate. >> connected to the nsa? is this about phone hacking? >> this is about phone hacking. >> we know and don't say
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anything. >> whether this touches the mourdock family, does rebekah brooks try to rat out the family? i don't think so. becky, in the u.k. do they change the laws around the press? there's been some talk about trying to beef up the laws. some things that would protect the press in good ways but other things that would make it much more difficult. >> are we tamer here than mourdock's tabloids? >> yes. >> we are until we know otherwise but i think we are. >> this couldn't have been more ridiculous. >> that's? >> the new york snoes. >> geno's interceptions cause -- >> the post, you love it? >> they're one step above blogging. >> it's an early read every morning. >> fiction. >> that's fine too. >> when we come back, we're going to take a look at the markets and this week's fed meeting. first, a very happy birthday to bill gates. the microsoft founder turns 58 today.
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so everyone goes home happy. two spheres. stocks continuing to soar higher for a third straight week as the s&p 500 notches another all-time high. joining us now is jeff. he's chief investment strategist at raymond james who was right but got -- you got less bullish recently, didn't you? >> well, we had some timing points in mid july. >> yeah, say yes. just say yes because i remember. you were right before then. >> yes. >> all right. all right. well, okay. we'll talk in a second. on the economy, bob joins us on the set.
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he's co director of the jorhns hopkins financial center. you don't think of johns hopkins as financial. >> i have to go defend my thesis and one student said, i thought at hopkins you are a med student or a stupid lacrosse player. >> i've known you for -- >> too long. >> last time the bengals are in the super bowl i think i knew you. well before that. early '80s. i was kidding, jeff. you were very bullish and right when a lot of people were not. when did -- it was about -- was it four, five months ago you thought maybe we were going to have some tougher sledding? we did, i guess, for a while. we reconciled a lot of that with congress and everybody else, now we're higher. explain what your thinking was
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and what it is now. >> the timing model showed there was a window of vulnerability in mid july to mid august. i was looking for a 10% window and we didn't get it. vladimir putin pulled barack obama out of a tight place. i think that arrested the decline. we have another timing point coming up in mid november. i don't think that will be much weakness either. i agree with jeremy. i think stocks are going to trade higher. i got back from a week in canada and every portfolio manager wanted to increase their exposure to u.s. equities. >> we say it like it's so obvious. don't fight the fed. if there was ever a time to not fight the fed. you have an 85 billion looking for a place to go. >> i got that right on your show for last i guess july and august. i said no taper in september and i doubt there's any taper this year. i don't think the markets are going to pay much attention to the economic reports over the
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next six to eight weeks because of the shutdown and debt ceiling debate. >> bob, when would there be a taper in your view? >> it has to be next year. the data will be weaker because of the shutdown. i also think things have changed. they tried to sell us a story that said if we taper, it's not tightening because we're still buying, and that's an interesting theory, it's just not the way the markets trade. they have to understand now that taper is tightening and do they really want higher rates? probably not at this juncture. they'd love to keep rates where they are and stop buying but i don't think that option presents itself to them. >> people that don't want to worry say that a lot of this -- and i said the 85 billion is looking for a place to go. it doesn't necessarily go -- if there's no demand, it can be taken back. >> well, i think, you know, it's always been true that the fed's been in the business of trying to get people to buy risky
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assets when the economy is weak. that's always been the game. that's why you drive the overnight rate down. the complication here is obviously they don't want to keep swelling their balance sheet. asking people to take risk is generally the tactic that the fed uses. >> yeah, but when rates go up and the fed's sitting on all of these bonds and they get huge losses, is that going to be an issue? >> i still think that's less of an issue than when rates go up. does it hamper an economy that hasn't shown us any great muscle yet. >> we have another situation with budgets and debt ceilings coming up. >> yeah. yeah. although i -- >> people are talking. they're being nice to each other. >> mcconnell said that, you know, you don't learn anything from getting kicked in the head by a mule the second time and i think -- i doubt that they're going to want to be kicked in the head by a mule the third time. >> you know also, jeff, the obama care, right after we finally settled everything, then we knew it was going badly, but
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we know now that maybe it wasn't ridiculous to say maybe we should be delaying this a while either. it's almost like you could make the argument that some of the stuff the republicans are asking for maybe not a year delay, but it wasn't going to be rolled out very well. they weren't totally out to lunch on that, were they? >> oh, no. i think some of the principles were the right principles. i'm an independent. idea fend each side of the equation. i think what is transformative is that the republicans are no longer bargaining away their budgetary votes to repeal obama care. they're bargaining away to get spending cuts and tax reform. i think that's transformative. >> that's going to be my thing. i don't care if they do anything else. just jobs. >> i want new numbers, too. 2004 to 2010 doesn't seem fair either. i'd like to see a decade at a time. show me a decade at a time. i think it's valid but i'd like to see the data. >> still includes -- but it
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still includes the 2010. >> it does include 2010 but it includes big boom years. i think if you look at a decade at a time. i want to see the statistics. >> i bet you it's above 35. >> simpson and bowles have signed this off. >> you're pining for the 50s. 90%. there's no soccer in france. >> 92%. 92%. >> no soccer in france. >> 92%. coming up, we are going to check in. "squawk" is going to be checking into some choice hotels to check on the state of the consumer. they have free wi fi. it's a growing trend in business: do more with less with less energy. hp is helping ups do just that. soon, the world's most intelligent servers, designed by hp, will give ups over twice the performance, using forty percent less energy.
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jo jo welcome back. we're doing "squawk" ceo.
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steve joyce is the company's president and ceo. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> rates are going up. occupancy is going up. that's a good thing from the consumer standpoint. i heard your marketing costs are also going up and that made things a little tougher. >> not tougher. we're working harder to make sure people are aware of what we're doing. rebuilding two brands. one is comfort inns. there's 2000 of them so it's not easy to do. we're redoing sleep inn. so both of those are really taking off. we have incredible increases in development. new ones are being done. literally up. comfort inn is almost over double what it was a year ago. we've got strong development overall. but the marketing is to get the message out to folks that we're doing some things differently and choice is a new company. for a long time we were the place to stay on the way to someplace. >> right. >> now we're trying to be the destination as well. >> you want to be the destination. what is the occupancy rate total
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right now? >> it depends on -- we're more leisure. very heavy occupancy on the weekend, little bit less. >> we're in the 60%ish range and that's growing. next year will be better. we've had several good years. we had a strong quarter up 6% overall on our royal at this rates. overall business is improving. expecting another 2% increase next year and that's building towards a good future for the company. >> look out a little bit for us because there's been a lot of questions about what this whole government shutdown has meant and everything else for the holiday season. >> the good thing is it's back. we're seeing it rebound very quickly. >> really? temporary? >> it was important. this is not a pay forex err sies. our hotels outside of the grand canyon were down 78%. skyline drive where the leaves, the leaves don't wait for you, were down 40%. it hurt our franchisees and customers, they are coming back, we're expecting strong holiday
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season. >> similar question, obama care. what's your percentage of full time versus part-time employees, is that changing the mix? >> we do not want a club of 29ers, 29 hours. we want to have full-time employees because those are the best employ years. we a -- employees. we're working hard to get some adjustments to the bill. the bill is here, it's the law, we understand that. there are certain things you can do to adjust it that makes sense. makes no sense that you'll treat a law firm with lawyers making $300,000 a year the way you'll treat hourly associates making minimum wage. what we have to do is redefine what full time means. what's your highest margin brand now? >> it's ascend, our new boutique historic brand. it's our highest growing and our most profitable. >> because i make an issue of
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this, free wi fi? >> absolutely. free parking, free breakfast. comfort inn and choice hotels are the value option in the hotel business. >> the folks at the saint regis need to listen to this. free wi fi. >> i'm -- you know what -- >> you don't want to go there. >> i'm going to cut you slack on the wi fi. do you want to work? is that what you -- >> i need to do work on the wi fi. >> i know why you say they don't make it free. >> the super high speed, sometimes they need to charge you. >> the good thing with your $20 wi fi is you get a $60 breakfast. that's a value for you. >> thank you so much for coming in this morning. >> appreciate it. coming up, start your engines. racing legend danica patrick is going to pull into the "squawk box" to talk about business and her hugely profitable business next. farmers presents: fifteen seconds of smart.
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sequential brands group announcing exclusive partnership sequential brands group announcing exclusive partnership with famed nascar race car driver danica patrick. joining us now, and i guess it is now nascar. will. >> it's just nascar. >> joining us onset danica patrick. and -- >> it's a tongue twister. >> sequential brands group ceo, ringing the opening bell at the nasdaq later this morning. so you have a relatively new
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company. you got some well healed investors. it's called sequential brands. >> correct. >> one of the brands i know well is rivo. you're going to be the spokesperson. that's the connection between sequential and danica. >> that's right. yeah. when this opportunity came around, i was like, man, that s is -- when i think of it, i think of such good quality then when i heard about the quality came from a nasa engineer that took the uv protection off the satellites and made it into sunglasses. . and i was like, wow, that seems like it would be pretty good. >> and you acquired it? >> we did. and we've got a very unique model, joe. it's a business of licensing. so we do is we partner our brands with leading manufacturers of retails around the world. we brought revo.
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we went to charlotte and sat down with danica. and she knew the brand really well. and we started talking about it and she said, hey, this is a brand not only i wear but i love. not only are we partnering together but next year we're debuting a special danica patrick collection. >> what other brands are in sequential? >> co-founded with justin timberlake, ellen tracy, well-known women's fashion brand, in places like macy's and other brands, as well. >> a billion in sales, up from just $20 million. how long ago? a year ago? >> this is a year ago. so rapidly growing business. and the way we grow our business is twofold. one is, of course, we work with talent to promote and market our brands and grow our brands organically. and two is we believe we've got a great platform we can leverage by adding new brands to the portfolio. we started the year three brands, today we're seven. our goal is to be 17 by next
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year, two years, three years, four years. >> you've got a lot on your shoulders in terms of nascar. nascar i didn't realize was hit as hard as it was by the slowdown, by the recession. people take vacations. >> sure, that's part of it. and it's sponsor driven. so when companies, when it's frowned upon for companies, companies not able to spend the money on advertising, you know, we get that direct hit. but ratings have been up. this year and especially here at the end of the season. i think in a world like we have now where there's so many options for people to watch certain things or go to see certain events. it's almost up. >> how much time do you spend on the business side of the sport? thinking about new sponsors relative to driving with the car and everything that goes along with it. >> well, i've been lucky enough to have lots of existing sponsors that have been with me for a long time and new
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partners. godaddy's been incredible for me, they've been with me since 2007. >> super bowl, 12 commercials in the super bowl with you. >> yeah. i do spend a lot of time on it. most of the time on racing for sure, but there's a lot of time spent outside of that. every sponsor and every partner has their certain number of things they need out of me, whether it be advertising or promotion, or something like coming on tv with y'all or whether it be a photo shoot. >> do you ever say all y'all. >> i say y'all a lot. >> all y'all? >> it works. i've tried to do that. so you're almost the highest paid female athlete in the world, aren't you? we don't want to talk about your money. but -- >> thank my great agents. >> do you make more money than the guys you think of with nascar? >> yeah, some of -- not --
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>> you're right up there? >> yeah. >> you won an indy race. >> mm-hmm. >> first woman ever to be in the pull position at daytona and almost won daytona. you're going to win soon, you think? >> i hope so. this year's probably running out and i'm a rookie this year. >> next year maybe. >> you know, there's incredible drivers in nascar. i expected it to be hard but it's even -- probably a little harder than i expected. the difference between a good day and a bad day is so big. and it's a big challenge. it's a lot to learn and there are guys that have been doing it for decades. >> what's the hardest thing? >> i would say you've got to have -- you need experience for sure. these are -- like our race yesterday was four hours long. so, you know, not making a mistake for four hours. and having good cars, good team, good decisions me gaining experience, there's a lot of things that go into it.
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>> it's crazy. >> at the cup level, there are guys that have driven in cup for quite a while, ten years at least. one of my teammates has driven for -- he's like early 50s, you know, he's been in the sport for over 30 years. that's a lot of -- that's heavy competition for me to learn quickly. >> how quickly did four tires get changed? >> my pit crew is extremely good and they finish in about 12 seconds or less. >> 12 seconds, change four tires. >> and that matters in how you get in and out. >> and run from one side of the car to the other side of the car. it's not all at once. they do one side and then the other side. each side takes about six seconds. >> good luck. >> i just get scared. >> there are five nuts on it, just for those -- >> and 200 miles an hour -- >> thank goodness i'm not doing 200 in pit lane. >> that might be something to consider. >> thank you. great to see you. >> thank you for having me.
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>> i'm surprised he could do his job. thank you. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. when we come back, we'll get a preview of the two-day fed meeting and the new controversy surrounding janet yellen. "squawk box" will be back after a quick break. peace of mind is important when you're running a successful business.
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stocks have been off to the races. so as we head into the final lap of 2013, is it full speed ahead for the bulls? or are there caution flags? >> an apple a day sends the doctor away. >> does it keep the bears away? tech giant apple set to pose quarterly results after the
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bell. we'll have your inside line. ♪ plus, dow component merck headlines the companies reporting before the bell this morning as the second hour of "squawk box" begins right now. ♪ good morning, everybody. welcome back to "squawk box" here on cnbc. i'm becky quick along with andrew ross sorkin and joe kernan. peter fisher and charles cantor. in our headlines this morning, a lot of things going on including earnings that are continuing. we're waiting for that federal reserve meeting with policy makers, it's a two-day meeting that concludes on wednesday and the fed is not expected to cut back on the bond buying program because of the negative economic effects of the now ended government shutdown. you're looking for merck? >> yeah, merck is reporting 92 cents, that's an adjusted
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number. the company reported sales of $11 billion which is in line also with expectations. and then i've got a guidance which is on an adjusted basis, as well. they're saying they're narrowing their nongaap earnings per share. target 3.58. you already had a third cent beat on one quarter. the estimate's 90 cents and the company now is above where the street is. but as i say, they just beat by four cents in the current quarter. so not a shock maybe that they would be raising their guidance for the year. can't tell where it's going to trade. looks like it is up, though, on that trade right there up about 39 cents. they break out all the different sales. if you're interested in cingular, you've got to be an analyst to know what the expectations are. i will tell you it's a 3.7% yielder.
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3.7%. and the guy in charge steered him through vioxx, and there's a good reason why he's there and his strategy was to do it case by case. and you know that anything if you take too much of can be -- if you, you know, what is that dyhydroxide can be fatal if you drown. so they took the ambulance chasers with the vioxx situation that saw huge dollar signs, did it one by one. and the stock got down into the teens and it's back to $47 with almost a 4% yield. so merck is back and we're probably all the better for it. we want the best drug companies and the best innovation in the world. telling you bt about a few other things happening this week. more congressional hearings over the glitches that have kept many americans from signing up for
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health insurance under president obama's signature health care law. the one that may get the most attention comes on wednesday when secretary kathleen sebelius appears before the house energy and commerce committee. also, toyota is holding on to its lead as the world's top-selling automaker. says it sold 7.41 million vehicles during the first nine months of this year. gm sold 7.25 million vehicles during the same period of that year. jpmorgan has agreed to pay $5.1 billion to settle claims that it and firms it bought misled fannie and freddie about home loans that sold to them during the housing boom. the settlement is expected to be part of what we've all described as a tentative $13 billion deal, but the bank is negotiating with federal and state agencies. so there you have it. we should note that $5.1 billion number. about $1 billion more than people expected. i wonder if the total 13 stays at 13 or whether this is a different mix. >> did you read the "wall street journal" today? >> i did. >> and the lead editorial?
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>> i did. >> poor fannie and freddie. even the democrat led committee that looked at what happened in the crisis, even they didn't try to say fannie and freddie were victims. >> right. >> they may not have blamed the whole thing on fannie and freddie, but they didn't try to make the idea that, what did you do to us with these trillions of dollars guaranteed as they helped people, enabled them to get into these mortgage products. i don't want to end up on a comedy news show. but some of these things are so, you know, so obvious that i can't help myself. >> i think with that comment you might -- we might have made the comedy news show. >> no. >> this is a comedy news show. >> this is a comedy. that's a comedy settlement. we also have some news out of london today, two former top editors from rupert murdoch's media empire, they're going on trial. facing criminal accusations involving phone hacking and obstruction of justice.
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they say this case could lead to more revelations about the inner workings of the competitive world of -- >> red hair, andrew. >> including the political elite. rebecca brooks, of course was a close friend. excuse me? >> that hair is red. i have a daughter with red hair. that is some red hair. beautiful. >> and we'll see what she has to say about rupert murdoch. >> what team is red, joe? what team has red colors? >> cincinnati. you're talking baseball. >> it's six minutes into the top of the show. you haven't mentioned -- >> we're talking orange. we're talking orange today. >> 17 seconds. >> and -- >> cincinnati beat the jets. >> we've already been there. >> that was the last hour. >> and he didn't even know. that was the good part. bingles and bangles -- >> no. >> phil simms says bingles.
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it's crazy. as becky mentioned, the fed is going to be meeting. and that'll be one of the highlights of the week. it's a commentary on the week. senior economics reporter steve liesman is here with a preview and also the story of a new controversy surrounding the nomination of janet yellen. does it have to do with rand paul? >> yeah, it does. it does. not much change expected in the fed's policy this week. question is whether they're going to use the time to sharpen their communications, make more clear to markets the reasons they might or might not taper. but we broke a story on friday that we'll be following throughout the week. rand paul announcing he'll put a hold on janet yellen's nomination to force consideration of his bill to audit the fed. paul notified leadership of his intentions last week and expected to make that notification formal this week to leadership republicans, democrats differ on how important this move is. republicans point out that paul's bill has 25 cosponsors. may not be so easily dismissed
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by either side, they may be forced to give it a vote. a bill by his father passed the house a couple of years ago. similar bill. democrats say because of procedures, paul needs 40 votes to force the vote and say it's unlikely he'll get that kind of support. fed officials have publicly opposed it saying it could put a political chill over the making of policy. they fear, for example, the threat of an audit on the eve of a controversial decision to raise or lower rates. the question is whether continuation of the fed's current easy policy monetary regime, which will likely happen if yellen is approved is going to require some power, some concessions through the other side of the opposition here. joe? >> yeah, i don't know. i don't know how that -- >> you think we have this seamless transition with no concessions from the other side? >> i'm trying to rise above it. i don't want to have any more arguing. she's going to be in there, right? why do we need to do more dances? >> why not audit the fed?
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why not? >> the whole idea of transparency. >> the open market committee meetings for almost a decade. i think this is silly on both sides. i never understood why the fed was so nervous about getting audited. especially now they publish the minutes. it all hangs out, congress can audit the fed. everyone on the planet can have an opinion. >> i thought you only got audited if you had patriot or -- >> i don't know what the gao is going to learn. >> well, audited from the monetary, from what it spends. >> it's not like an irs. >> it's not like an irs. the audit of the decision making process. >> right. i got it. >> i don't know if the gao's going to learn any faster. takes them six months to write their reports. i got audited a dozen times by the gao. >> what do you make of the politics of this? is it possible we go from bernanke to yellen and the other side of the opposition? first of all, i believe this
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bill would pass the senate and probably pass congress. who's going to get up in front of the senate and say i don't think we should audit the fed, it's a bad idea. it would probably pass congress, right? >> well, it might. i think bernanke is an outgoing chair. so he can take the hit for that and yellen wouldn't have to. i think they still have some ways to argue. but i think it serves as i say silly on both sides. my nomination as undersecretary was held over some silly tariff. senators should drop this bad habit. >> you're just nodding. you're a guest host. >> we just try to think through the investment implications of all of this tapering stuff. and i think it's pretty clear to us that when the fed delayed the taper, it provided market participants with what i call a mu mulligan. safe assets through september, treasure bonds, muni bonds, all
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down 2% to 4%. a rally in treasuries, the bonds have been proved in value. and the question is how are you going to meet your long-term objectives without making a change. and so given that we think, you know, best risk adjusted returns probably coming in strategies ahead of a total return mindset and you'll probably make the most amount of money and long only equity strategies. and i just repeat, you've been given the mulligan, the question is how you're going to use it as market participants. >> well, you're charles cameron. >> i am. >> you are peter fisher. >> that's me. >> you're not richard fisher. >> no. >> you know of him. >> i know of him. >> you are the senior director of the blackrock institute. that's a high title you've got now, isn't it? >> well, i gave up head of fixed income. >> at an institute. what's the difference in your role now? >> the blackrock investment institute is how we try to get
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our portfolio managers to collaborate. it's not a think tank off in the corner, we try to get our pms talking about the challenges they face. we're going to be getting together in a couple of weeks. 60 investors talk about the outlook for 2014. >> what's the hardest question right now? >> well, i think it is the policy mix that's still ahead of us is one of them and whether growth's going to pick up, you know, a little bit or whether we're going to be drifting down or drifting up. but the policy mix. i think the fed, the markets and the fed have a dilemma here. i agree with you on the mulligan right now. but the markets have priced for the fed has given a complete pass. >> did any of you guys see the cover? 20 years of 2% because of demo and -- >> i don't know how you know that, but -- >> i would say that's more than enough to get a very attractive return out of equities. i think the markets today have very low expectations.
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the market's not pricing. >> 2% a year. >> 2% is great. >> for gdp. >> great. >> that's because you're from over there. that's where 2% -- you think that's good. it's not good here. we're exceptional here. >> we are exceptional. >> are you a we now here? >> absolutely. >> i'm a we, we, we -- >> don't we we here. >> it all comes back to expectations. if you look back in time, equity returns and gdp growth are inversely related. so when you have low expectations, the market doesn't expect a lot and it just takes a little bit more than a little to satisfy. and when you have high expectations, it's hard to achieve. so i think for equity holders, you'll be fine. of course we all demand more for the economy and the jobs. >> and the other was the opposite of what you said. >> opposite. >> on the results. great coverage this weekend. >> you know what -- having the stock market do okay at 2% isn't
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the same as getting the jobs that you'd get at 3.5%. >> corporate profits and profit margins. >> but 2%'s not enough. we're going to be -- and as pointed out, it's bad for social harmony, as well. >> i think it's a problem. i think it can be good for equities in the long run. i want to emphasize, we've all gotten so excited about the postponing taper, the only direction is to get disappointed reaction is for the fed to say something that suggests it's not the free pass we thought. >> i would disagree a little bit. >> i would, as well. i would say i'm excited by the fact that earnings are up, revenues up 3.5% this quarter, against a backdrop of valuations that aren't -- to us it comes back to earnings and cash flow and there's plenty of that around. >> i don't know how much the markets internalized the fed's promise to remain low on interest rates. >> liesman, you're not listening to all -- >> i know, i know -- >> you've been wrapped.
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>> if i said bengals, could i stay on tv longer, joe? cincinnati bengals. >> yeah. did you want to make a point. >> just so you didn't have to wrap again. >> they did -- >> we're going to wrap him. coming up, apple set to report after the bell. we're going to talk innovation and what apple will or won't say tonight. first as we head to a break, watching shairs of merck. take a look, the earnings beating the street by 4 cents. revenue also topping expectations in the company's full-year earnings outlook slightly above current consensus. industry analyst will join us more in the next half hour. back in a moment.
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welcome welcome back to "squawk box." headlines, liberty global is selling all its international content division. two, amc networks. >> our favorite. >> amc networks, the price tag is $1 billion. we both were up to 10:00. >> yeah, can't help myself, i can't risk i'm going to come up and find out what happened from someone. >> from me. >> from you or anyone else. >> so you're shocked it was carol. >> don't give it away for anybody else that hasn't seen. >> what is wrong with you. i love you, but why -- i don't even know what's --
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>> it means nothing. >> you don't even know who carol is. >> it means nothing to anyone. >> just -- don't -- >> marilyn manson. >> nice. >> has everyone given up on "homeland." >> i haven't seen it yet. >> new writers this season. >> is it new writers? >> yeah. >> i heard it got really good. >> it got really good on season -- >> i'll pay my dues. >> i didn't get to see last night. >> what really blows this year is -- >> what's that? what do you really think? >> boardwalk empire, they fell off the truck or something. anyway. we're going to talk apple this morning. apple set to release quarterly results after the bell. today, covers the company for barclays. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> you're right here. you know, i thought to myself. >> don't sneak up on him like that. >> i thought you were going to show up on the screen like a little -- you know how we have those little boxes. >> you totally jumped. >> because i was reading the
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prompter thinking, oh, ben, i'm going to talk to ben over there. i thought you'd be in the office. >> spicing things up today. >> what do you think is going to happen this afternoon? >> i think it could be good. i think they had a better launch than expected. i think gross margin is going to be the big figure that people look at tonight. >> how much do we care about this whole 5c versus 5s. better margin on 5s than 5c. >> that's great news for apple that people want the higher end device. i think a lot of people are trading in old iphones and there's new contracts. >> you don't think apple missed it with not setting the 5c at a different price point or coming up with a product maybe slightly lesser to get you down below that sort of -- $100 less? >> i think they actually have done very well with the 5s and 5c might be a little bit disappointment. they're increasing the build
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which has higher revenue per unit and probably better margin. >> do you care about carl in all this? >> i care. it's fun drama. it's a see it all play out. i think that apple probably surprises you on the upside on the current buyback which is a $60 billion -- >> you think you hear that today? >> i think we hear about better than expected pace for the buyback. they bought more than expected in the june quarter. and the best way to make carl happy is to buy more back. >> should you be trying to make carl happy, though? is that his job tim cook's job? >> i think that's coincidence, but i think he should be trying to make all of his stake holders happy. i wouldn't mind some tuck-in acquisitions, as well. >> if you actually reinvested all of that cash at a 12% return, i don't know if that's doable or not. that's another $15 a share of earnings. wouldn't the market like that better? >> they would love that. and you can buy back all the stock and get an extra $3 a share in earnings too by 2015.
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there's a lot of things you can do. you have this twitter ipo coming. we used to talk about maybe apple needs one of these social media -- >> did you have them buy it or no? twitter? >> i'm saying, there's a lot of things they could do with the money to expand their itunes franchise. >> are you satisfied or unsatisfied with the ipads with all the new stuff they announced last week? >> i thought it was pretty good. i think there's a margin protection strategy apple has, as well, they're keeping the upper end and letting everybody fight it out at the lower end and saying we're going to protect margins, our premium brand and they did that with that launch. >> you don't think that represents a long-term challenge, though? that the more and more android becomes popular simply because it does take the lower end of the market that more people develop apps for android and start developing them for the apps first and it changes the sort of dynamic equation around all of this. >> i'm definitely concerned about all that. i feel like that is the biggest threat. but one of the things is that
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apple needs to draw a line in the sand. and what are they going to be known for? and their products are still to this moment getting the most usage in the marketplace. >> 80% of all tablet usage is done on the ipad. and therefore, if that's the case, they're going to maintain the great app development and whatnot because you can get paid for being part of the apple eco system. it's a threat over the long-term. and we're going to see how that plays out. but they actually should start to do a little better in china over the next few quarters because i think they have new distribution coming. >> distribution coming for a long time. >> well, this time, it feels like china mobile really is coming. >> all right. >> that's what, 700 million subscribers? >> yeah. >> that sounds like a lot. >> well, it's like a lot bigger than anybody here. >> right. >> that could be a lot of units. >> thank you for coming in. thank you for being here in person. we could do it on face time next
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welcome back to welcome back to "squawk box" this morning. in the headlines, the new york stock exchange, it says a weekend test run in preparations for twitter's upcoming ipo was successful. twitter's expected to go public next week. this was the first time the big board conducted a mock ipo as it gets set for the high profile offering, trying to a void the problems the nasdaq had with the facebook offering. two former employees of
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rupert murdoch's media empire go on trial today. facing charges of phone hacking and bribery. the two have denied all the charges. and mcdonald's, they're dropping heinz ketch-up from the restaurants. after heinz chose the new ceo. the former ceo of burger king and is still vice chairman of burger king's board. what is his name? >> i don't know, it was in the teleprompter. >> i didn't want to mispronounce it. >> because of bernardo. >> you know, you could confuse these things. >> bernardo. >> needed a pronouncer on ario. because it could be -- >> ario or -- >> how do you say it? >> here's my question on the heinz thing. i'm trying to change the subject. on heinz, wasn't it obvious that
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if the folks from burger king 3g buys heinz with burger king that mcdonald's is going to say no, of course, forget about who's the vice chairman of the chairman. >> i've never been a burger king guy. i like the crazy king because he scared me, but i've never been a burger king. >> the fries. >> the fries aren't bad too. but why would you be afraid of the guy who ran burger king? >> it's not that you're afraid of him, you're mad. you don't want to do business with them. you want to put them under. >> if you can discern the difference between heinz and hunts in ketch-up and cats-up. >> do you know the difference? >> no. >> i don't either. >> what happens when the customers revolt against the bad ketch-up? >> with the exception of two states in the united states, i was looking at this last night, mcdonald's ketch-up doesn't say
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heinz on it. i believe it's just in the little packets. it's only two other places that it's branded as heinz. anyway, little heinz trivia. >> that's almost as interesting as the -- what was the other thing you gave us this morning? oh, yeah, michael jackson's doctor got out of jail this morning. >> he did. >> i know. okay. all right. >> we have some real news besides these discussions about tax breaks. >> as you have proven. meantime, we are also keeping an eye on oil and currency levels this morning. let's get to our trading block. joining us to talk energy is kevin kerr. we have nick bennenbrook at wells fargo. and i know the $this morning has been moving towards a nine-month low as people get really into this idea that the fed has gone away forever. we've been talking about that this morning. are they really gone forever? >> i don't know if forever. >> is taper gone forever? >> yes.
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i think certainly the tapering's being pushed out well into next year. they're not going forever, they've gone long enough that i think the dollar will remain under pressure for a long time. >> peter's point is if the fed says anything at all, they're meeting this week. and if they say anything at all that makes it look like the taper will be near rather than farther away that the markets could react. >> a pretty sharp reaction today, and i'd totally agree with that. it would be very unexpected if we got a signal from the federal reserve. at the end of the day, i don't think we will get anything meaningful from the federal reserve this week. and the current views of easy policy are going to remain in place. it'll be a slow drift lower on the dollar, we believe. >> yeah, i'd jump in and say janet yellen is hoping for that outcome and draghi is praying that the fed does something to turn the dollar around. the weaker dollar is worse for
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europe. if you see the papers this morning, the "wall street journal" has the fed want to have a rule for the taper, put that in play. you know they're debating this, you know they're anxious about kicking the can down the road forever. and i think they've put it off till next year, but they may be under pressure when we get to next year how they talk about next year and even some of those words could give the dollar a little jump. >> that's a good point. >> everything's priced for the fed making it easy. >> we've watched oil prices collapse. do you think that's because of what's happened with the dollar? or do you think that's more an issue of what's really happening in the economy? >> well, in part -- in part with the dollar, but also we've seen two weeks of solid builds, we have lots of inventory on hand. over 9.2 barrels over the last two weeks. and put a lot of pressure on prices below $100 here. i think we're going to remain range bound between 94 and 100 depending on what we see come out in the data this week. we've had a little lag here because of the debt ceiling, the
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layoffs, the furloughs, i should say. that's caught up with the market now and now we're going to get fresh data this week. and that's going to determine where prices go this week, i think. probably close to 100 if we get a bullish report and a bearish report could take us down. >> bad news for the saudis because they have promises they've made. below $100 makes it hard for them to meet those promises. first of all, do they get nervous at these levels? and second of all, is there anything they can do? >> yeah, they do get nervous. and below 100, every notch we go down cuts into their profit margins. and they're rattling the sabers a little bit. saying they're going to cut off diplomatic relations because of syria and that rumbling comes up when the prices start to drop. >> thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you. michelle caruso-cabrera joins us with a story about a brazilian tycoon who lost $25 billion in the last year. >> 34. >> 34 billion? >> yeah.
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march of last year, batista was worth $34 billion. we're expecting a bankruptcy filing any day now. he once said he had more oil than saudi arabia, he was going to be the richest man in the world. there he is, if you haven't seen him, a lot of people were familiar with him because he was big on the grand stage for a long time. listen to what he told cnbc on one occasion. and remember that mr. batista is a former race car driver. >> i have created five companies that embedded resources close to $2 trillion. at very low cost to produce it. so it's just a question of time. i'm sorry. i don't know if i'm going to pass him on the right side or the left side, but it's going to happen. >> it's going to happen. take a look at what's happened to the stock and you can see the $2 trillion of assets are approaching more to zero than they got to $1 trillion. >> he got passed on the left and right side. >> exactly.
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exactly. he missed an interest payment almost 30 days ago, the grace period will run out on october 31st. take a look at the list of the biggest holders of these bonds of ogx, one of his five companies. they'd like to say lawyers and bankers to help them in negotiating a debt restructuring. ashmore, blackrock, and abbott, as well. what's startling is the rapid decline in the bonds. one of these bonds was issued last year, 2012, $2.6 billion, it is trading at between 7 and 10 cents. same with 2011. and a lot of those guys on the list were par value buyers. in other words, bought it full face value upon issuance. they got hammered on this deal. >> jim chanos was here recently talking about how he wouldn't invest in oil companies because if it's a government-controlled company, he doesn't believe the
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numbers in terms of what they say with the reserves. he pointed out brazil was one of those places. >> batisto was working on his own. he got concessions on those fields. that's not even -- so they started drilling and it turned out that the areas they were in were a lot more geological complex than they thought they were going to be. he claimed he would produce a barrel at $15 to $18 a barrel. he thought he was going to get 15,000 a day out of wells, and not at a commercially viable price. they couldn't get enough out. if you're going to have enough oil, like compared to saudi arabia, well, you also need a shipping company. >> right. >> which he started. he also -- you also need a port 1 1/2 times the size of manhattan, which he built. it's not there. and the oil's not there. the whole cornerstone of the short-lived empire is absolutely falling apart. i don't mean to put you on the
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spot, but you used to run fixed income over at blackrock. any insight into this? or just -- you must be startled by the rapid pace of the decline in the bonds? >> no comment. >> no comment. >> no comment. i'm not going to go there. i'm sorry. >> yeah. >> this will be a test for brazil's bankruptcy laws which are very new and really haven't been tested. and i'm guessing the global investors all over the world will be watching. and it'll drive our folks think about investing in their country over time going forward. >> yeah, absolutely. and there's a lot of uncertainty. there's broadly similar to the united states and one of the reasons i'm told that he needs to file for bankruptcy is the following. there's one well left. the last great hope. but all the contractors, the servicers, they don't want to help him drill that well at this point because if he files for bankruptcy after they've provided the service, they go into the pile with the creditors and they've got to fight for the scraps. once the bankruptcy filing happens, similar to the united
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states you can start to pay the organizations that make the concern and get to the top of the pile. >> again, this is not a situation a case of fraud where he was worried about saying the reserves were there and not being there. this is a situation where he built out everything on the expectation -- >> so he is being investigated by brazilian entities. no one has said the word fraud in public out loud yet. but they are going over all of the paperwork. >> except for becky. >> becky. no, it's extremely legitimate question. to see a bond plummet that quickly, the first word out of everyone's mouth is fraud with a big "f." did he tell people these were commercially viable reserves when he didn't know they were? that's going to be key. >> i think the bigger question would be if he knew they weren't. >> oh, yeah, absolutely. absolutely. believe me, there are people investigating the possibility that there is fraud and would like to sue the pants off of him if they think they can make a
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case. >> as well as the underwriters of the most recent bond issue. >> well, that's my tomorrow story, thank you. >> thank you. all right. andrew. what's coming up? coming up, we have merck out with third quarter results. we'll talk to an analyst and get a preview of what to expect from pfizer's results all coming up in a moment. pfizer, by the way, tomorrow, back in a moment. can't catch "squawk box" on television, well, we're a few key strokes away. find the show online and on mobile. our twitter handle @squawkcnbc. like us on facebook and visit our page. your investments and the information you need at your fingerprints. "squawk box" on cnbc. profit from it. clients are always learning more to make their money do more. (ann) to help me plan my next move,
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products. you can see what's going on with the stock, roper cutting the full-year profit outlook saying growth in other markets will be slower than expected in the fourth quarter. >> you remember mr. roper. >> three's company was one of the greatest shows of all time. >> it was. >> john ritter was a wonderful actor. >> he was. lost him too young. >> did he really? >> yeah. we are -- yep, we are -- >> is that true? >> we are patico like that. i met him years and years ago on the set. >> he was -- >> you were on the set of "three's company?" >> when i was a kid. i have a picture of all of them together signed. >> was that huge -- >> was that suzannesummers or -- >> no, it was after that, with i don't remember her name. >> we lost three guys within weeks that were all 53 years old. john ritter, robert palmer and one other person. and i remember that, and that's why they get that thing.
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hey, barbara. >> hi, how are you? >> oh, ah! sneak up on me. merck out with quarterly results earlier this hour. joining us onset is barbara ryan managing director of fti consulting. i'm kind of cursed with -- i remember like unimportant things. and what i remember is that you were never that excited about merck except as maybe a yield stock and i'm wondering whether you're more excited now or is it still just a yield stock? >> well -- >> do you remember when you were saying that? after vioxx. >> yeah, high-coupon bond. >> yeah, what you said. and that's not worthless, that's pretty good information. that's the one thing i remember. >> for merck. >> yeah. >> merck has had a long and very strong history in drug development. and has been an invader in a lot of different categories, not the least of which cholesterol, osteoporosis, vaccines.
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but they go through their cycles. and so merck has had a very difficult time with generic competition which is, you know, ubiquitous to the industry, obviously, and comes and goes. but the company continues to invest heavily in r & d and obviously is committed to that. they are suffering through the last of the generic competition for singulair. this morning they beat earnings estimates, narrowed the range in terms of the forecast for the year. lowered the bottom and lowered the top. and the company has recently n done two things. one is hire a new research director. who had spent the last year at amgen prior to that at merck. he has come back and restructuring that organization. the company has restructured the entire organization which is pretty typical of what's happened in the pharmaceutical industry, obviously, over the last couple of years. and they do have some late stage
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products which the market is looking towards. one is ammunotherapy for oncology and the other most notable would be a base inhibitor which is being developed in alzheimer's. that's been a graveyard for the industry, obviously, but if there are any breakthroughs there, that would be extraordinarily powerful. not just for the companies involved, but obviously for the public at large. >> how would you say that ken frazier has done it? he's -- it's not his fault that the research -- that's not necessarily the ceo -- not all the times if they're former research directors. has he got the trains running on time? running the company well? >> absolutely, i think a couple of things have happened. obviously the generic competition which has hit them. they've had some disappointments in research and development. they've gone after some novel targets and those haven't played out real well. they have some other, as i just mentioned, shots on goal. and i think merck is a company that has always culturally been
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very committed to the long-term. and i think there are four pharma companies that over the long haul, 30, 40 years have returned better than their cost of capital in r & d and america has be merck has been one of them. >> frazier -- >> well, ken frazier managed that incredibly well unlike wyeth where they got eaten alive by the liability. and i think that these liabilities are something that have to be strategically managed. >> should they acquisition? what should merck do now? >> i think merck will be more in the areas where they maybe lag the industry somewhat. the company has, i think, the former and well-known cfo of merck have once said, you know, we tolerated internally
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extraordinary risk and our r & d efforts very little from the outside. and i think that's really changed at merck. and i do think that roger will likely be more aggressive than the company has been in that regard. >> well, but do you see the pharma companies actually getting smaller going forward as opposed to larger. it would seem to me that merck has announced a massive restructuring plan. are they going to follow the pfizer playbook which feels like you have just lots of different businesses that all come to the market over time? >> it's a great question. and i think there's no one size fits all. we look at the industry today. historically the companies would all follow the leader. now we've got companies that are diversified, whether it be novartis j & j, they are diversi diversified. pfizer, 80% of their profits came from pharma. while they were diversified, they weren't really diversified.
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and now has a $16 billion market cap and pfizer stock is higher than when they spun that out. there's a lot of pressure on companies that have underperformed to do that. and the question is, are those businesses better served internal to the whole? i think they're a little bit on their back foot because the stock hasn't performed well so there's pressure to do that. pfizer is going one step further now and they're going to separate with three p & ls, one is the innovative core and the other is consumer and -- >> we vary in trying to own businesses with a strategy. we're going to be watching about how they think about the animal health initiative. does that belong in a pharma company or not? >> they'll be pressed on the call at 8:00 this morning. >> we've thought of that. >> people are animals, too, maybe that's what i'm thinking.
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i don't know. one or the other. i think it's a transitive thing. barbara, thank you. a lot of these companies had thrust upon them being smaller. >> yeah, they had to restructure their way out. >> hurts if you lose lipitor. later, we'll be getting a read on the consumer from the chairman and ceo of ethan allen interiors. stick around, "squawk box" will be right back. ford dealer. who has 11 major brands to choose from? your ford dealer. who's offering a rebate? your ford dealer. who has the low price tire guarantee, affording peace of mind to anyone who might be in the market for a new set of tires? your ford dealer. i'm beginning to sense a pattern. get up to $140 in mail-in rebates when you buy four select tires with the ford service credit card. where'd you get that sweater vest? your ford dealer. because what you dont know can hurt you.urance,
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welcome back welcome back to "squawk box." let's get the last word from our guest host. just for this hour because we have another hour to go. charles cantor has been with us and you're going to be taking off in a moment. how bullish should we really be? >> i think for long-term investors, you should remain optimistic. and i think it's going to be really hard to meet your goals in the fixed income markets going forward. fixed income have provided a tremendous return looking back 10 and 30 years. i think everyone should ask themselves not about the last ten, but how is the next ten going to shake up. and in that view -- >> and what percentage of assets would you have in fixed income? zero? >> i think it'll produce close to a zero return over the next three years. fixed income is a mathematical equation. you guess where rates are, plug that in and out comes the answer. i think i've always said asset allocation models aren't designed to work with low interest rates.
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less versus more. >> charles cantor, thank you for being here. you can comment on that when we come back. coming up, the dow's less than 500 points from jeremy siegel's year-end prediction of 16,000. an outlook on stocks between now, january and i'm sure we'll go into 2014. be right back. mine was earned orbiting the moon in 1971. afghanistan in 2009. on the u.s.s. saratoga in 1982. [ male announcer ] once it's earned, usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation because it offers a superior level of protection and because usaa's commitment to serve current and former military members and their families is without equal. begin your legacy. get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve.
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green green flags for the markets. >> i've got a message for all of them, right. shake and bake. >> what does that do? does that blow your mind? >> that just happened. >> will the gains continue? jeremy siegel will join us with an update on his bullish target for the dow. apple reporting quarterly results after the bell today. >> where's the joker? >> i don't know. >> where is he? >> no idea. >> come on, siri. >> this is harassment. >> we're going to talk to an analyst on more of what to expect. and we'll get a read on retail and the consumer from the chairman and ceo of ethan allen interiors. the third hour of "squawk box" begins right now. ♪
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welcome back to "squawk box" here on cnbc first in business. worldwide. did you listen to the words? >> you keep me hanging on. >> i don't know. i don't know why we're -- just. i don't know. i don't know why -- >> we're trying to keep them hanging on. >> is that what it is. >> hanging on every word of yours. >> i'm joe kernan. our guest host this morning continues, peter fisher, senior director at the blackrock investment institute. you sound more, you know, less just interested in profits and business and everything. it's an institute you're heading up now. >> no, this is how we get our portfolio managers to be smarter at making money for our clients. >> it's an institute. >> no -- i think you're focused on the word, no the what we do. >> was it lou reed. see i only know. i guess we can play walk on the
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wild side. >> we could've. >> right now, let's get to some breaking corporate news. and kate kelly joins us with more. >> thanks so much. consol energy to sell about $3.5 billion of assets to the privately held murray energy. part of consol's attempt to get in the natural gas business. part of this deal i'm told within a few year's time. it could be about 50/50 natural gas and goal in terms of its revenue model. in the last month or so a lot of speculation it might split into two parts. instead, it's going to sell the five coal mines in the u.s. to murray energy in a deal valued at 3.5. a couple of different issues with the steel. roughly $200 million in future payments involved.
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murray taking on about $2.4 billion in future liabilities as part of the sale. >> thank you so much, the ceo of the company will be joining us at in the 10:00 hour. he'll be speaking to us on "squawk on the street" later. maybe this is one we should count as a score for confidence. merck reporting earnings of 92 cents per share. beat wall street expectations of 88 cents. revenue also topping estimates. and the company's full-year earnings outlook is also slightly above current consensus. we also have some car news this morning, which is that toyota's keeping the top spot in autosales ranking. topping gm and volkswagen. topped about 7.4 million vehicles in january through september. that's up .1% from the same year ago.
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and finally, a little twitter news, the new york stock exchange did what it is now calling a successful test run of twitter's ipo, trying to avoid the types of problems that plagued facebook's offering on nasdaq. ran a simulated ipo. >> they wanted to see if it would work. >> if it worked. >> i'm surprised, they've never tried that before? does that mean that nasdaq didn't try that either? >> you're not seeing the connection. maybe the website that the government -- checked to see if you could log on. >> oh, that medicare? >> obama care. >> health care? a dry run? just once? >> did you see oregon -- >> zero people. we've got to take a quick check on the markets, take a look at u.s. equity futures at this hour. dow looks like it would open up
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about 6 points higher, s&p 500, little over a point and the nasdaq up, let's call it close to five points. "squawk" market master jeremy siegel made his call for the dow back in january 2012. he said there was a chance of reaching dow 16,000 by the end of this year. jeremy, it was a good call, looking at how far we've come since then. where do you think we end up this year? >> well, i believe it's going to be between 16 and 17,000. as you said, 500 points is only about 3%. and november and december are usually pretty good months and i think -- i think the economy's going to hold in here, tapering has been delayed, expectation not until march. so there's no major uncertainties that are hanging over the market, at least in these two months coming up. >> you've been very right. you've been very bullish.
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but is there anything that kind of shakes your confidence and you look and think, okay, if this were to happen, all bets were off? >> well, we -- you know, again, i think that the long bond down at 2.5%, i was a little worried when it got to three. i thought that was overdoing it. 2 1/2 is a very comfortable position of the market. if they begin to fear prematurely that the fed is going to tighten. you know, i think europe's recovery is -- i think you might be a little too bullish there. i don't -- the euro 1.38 seems too high to me. but none of that, i think, is going to be really critical to bringing down the u.s. market. i think we're going to get a tail wind of fourth quarter comparisons the last year. one of the good things about rising interest rates is that the pension funds are a little bit better funded this year than they were last year.
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and that was one of the things that dragged down fourth quarter earnings last year. i think we get a little tail wind on earnings, year to year comparisons are going to be looking good. dividends up 10% to 15% per year and still rising strong. this is a very favorable climate for equities. >> our guest host today is peter fisher and what do you think about what jeremy's saying right now. >> if we end the year where you think at 17 and going into january, let me get you to give us a prediction for next year. don't have a lot of good news priced in if we get to 17 by the end of the year, don't we? >> well, i say between 16 and 17. >> okay. >> 17, that's -- i think that's a little bit of a stretch. i thought there was a chance of doing that. and clearly there is, i mean, if i'm going to give a point, i would say 16.4, 16.5, and another 10% to 12%. i think next year because my feeling is that gdp is going to accelerate next year, 3% to 3.5%
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from the 2% we're stuck in this year. and that's going to make a good climate for growth. >> don't you think the fed's going to have to move a little faster than we all expect? if you get 3.5% gdp next year. >> if we can get 3.5% gdp, the market could take a tapering down to zero. don't forget, the first rate hike is not expected right now. if you look at the futures market until april or may of 2015. so, you know, fed funds at 0% to .25% for another year, year and a half, i don't care if they taper down, that's a favorable climate. >> did you get worried when we saw last week the ten year falling back down to 2.4%. would that worry you if it fell below and started moving back towards two? >> well, that's a sign that a real slowdown is coming. obviously you've got to worry on that side. but with all this uncertainty with the fiscal, you know, the
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tax increase, the government shutdown. i mean, looks like about 2% third quarter, 2%, fourth quarter, fiscal drag, you know, you guys have been -- zandi and others, i agree with that, about 1.5% this year. take away that fiscal drag and you get 3.5% next year. i'm on record saying there's going to be no slowdown in january or february of next year. a whole year with a committee that's going to be appointed january and february to look in the entitlements. that'll be off our plate and that'll be a very, very positive factor first quarter 2014. >> i did see you were a little worried, though. you thought it was a long shot. if the u.s. debt was downgraded again, you would think that could be incredibly bad news for the markets. >> oh, yeah. if it would and there's another standoff and gets more serious. you know, there's still $2 trillion, $3 trillion abroad and
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sovereign wealth funds. if they get nervous, boy. you know there's going to be a market reaction. but my feeling is there's not going to be a shutdown and we're going to push that limit back much earlier than we did last month so that i'd regard that as a strong possibility. >> i can't remember if it was in the "new york times" or the "wall street journal," but just the idea that inflation is running at a lower than desirable pace, that's a huge concern too. does that bother you? >> that's an interesting point. i did read that "new york times" article. you know, going down too much on inflation could be as damaging as going up on inflation. there's an awful lot of debts in the economy and, you know, if we ever get to a deflationary mode, that's one reason why the fed is so intent on avoiding that. the debt burden becomes very, very strong. 2%, and, remember, we had
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several -- express worry that was going too low during the last meetings. so they are aiming for that 2%. if it goes down to zero or one, i wouldn't be surprised if they increased qe. i don't think that's going to happen. but it's not out of the question. >> all right. thank you very much for joining us this morning. it's great talking to you. again, our guest host peter fisher is here, with us for the rest of the program. and coming up, we heard the bullish case, but could red flags in china derail the rally here. up next, we're going to talk to two china experts about inflation and the real estate bubble and investment. and a read on the american consumer from the chairman and ceo of ethan allen interiors. check out the "squawk box" market indicator. [ male announcer ] what if a small company became big business overnight? ♪ like, really big... then expanded?
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welcome back to welcome back to "squawk box," everybody. the futures have actually turned around this morning. we had been looking at the dow futures indicated up by about 35 points, now indicated down by about 16 points. that's a drop of about 16 points below fair value. >> okay, yeah. we've heard the bull case for the u.s. markets but could head
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winds in china derail the rally here. this morning to talk about, peter novarro, director of the film "death by china," and the chief investment strategist. good morning, guys. >> good morning. >> we were just talking about you before we got to you during the break. and he had the question, i'm going to ask it if i could take it out of your mouth. >> sure. >> which is, forget about what you think is happening in china right this second. what do you think the party when they come together next month are actually going to say? and what is that ultimately going to mean to the economy? i'll start with you, peter. >> well, what they're going to say is probably going to be different from what they actually mean. look, the problem in china right now, the only problem really is inflation and possibly related real estate bubble.
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the inflation is problematic because it could trigger political problems and tighter monetary policy which would in turn kick off the domino effect in the real estate bubble. they're going to say there's no problems here, everything's wonderful. but everything's not quite as wonderful. the good news is, that you've got the two biggest consumers of china, the u.s. and europe recovering smartly. and you also have the best trend, i think, in china as the emergence of the domestic consumer which will get them off their export dependency. >> john, where are you on both the real estate bubble issue and more importantly, economic growth, which has clearly calmed down, but the question is, where does it settle? >> we agree about something finally. it's the consumer. that's a great story. good morning. in china, when they have the meetings, there's pr after the meetings, but the government conversations are all about the recent transition of power, it's mostly corruption.
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they've got a boat load of problems. but they're sort of micro problems. it's air, water, pollution, corruption's a big, big deal. so they're going to be heavily occupied. the economy is slowing in a sort of a long run way. it's gone down from sort of 9, 10, to 7 1/2, 8. on the way longer term to lower numbers even. consumers are spending, incomes are a little slower than they were before. real estate prices are up a little bit. but wholesale prices are actually falling. and so there's no -- i don't think there's any huge blow-up story going on there. it's more of a in the clouds of dust policy. they're not ready for prime time. >> john, when you say 7 1/2 to 8%, that's where we are right now. >> yeah. >> how quickly does it get worse? and what does it get worse to? >> the big story there is restructuring. it's what peter was talking about is that this quarter for
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the first time, spending on services in china have actually exceeded spending on manufacturing and construction. they're trying to get more services, less construction and manufacturing, less mining and other heavy duty things, less infrastructure spending. and that takes a very long time to do. they made a little bit of progress, but it's going to take a long time more. in the meantime, they've got to keep incomes growing for farmers so they're happy, incomes growing for migrant workers, both are growing about 10% real, 13% nominal. it's not going to blow up tomorrow. but, yeah, the real estate market there as peter said, it's just like a whip saw, goes up, goes down. always trying to pull it one way or the other. right now, it's going up. but i don't think that's what's going to blow up there. >> peter? >> well, i think about whether inflation and urban centers gets a little high. they want to keep urban wages growing. i think it's a little more delicate to get a soft landing even in chinese terms by soft
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landing. that's real estate bubble, debt problem still trying to count all the debt in china. and they're trying to keep household incomes up. >> state and local debt, you're right, peter. state and local debt's a huge story. it's where most central government revenue goes. and it's a huge number -- >> you know, can i say one thing here? >> yeah. >> i think the longer term problem. we're talking about investors in china, right? that's cool for a year or two or three or four. but if you're a corporation basically offshoring your production in china, i think that has to be in the story for two reasons. one, you've got rapidly rising labor costs there, and two, the costs associated with the air pollution and water shortage problems are going to be very, very significant. and the second thing is the rise of the chinese military. if you look at what happened in 2012 with the kerfuffle between china and japan, what happened
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to japanese companies in china, it was carnage. and my advice to every corporate executive now, don't put more than 10% to 20% of your production offshore to china. and don't put any new production there. >> you believe what is going to happen? >> because what's going to happen is, let's say japan and china get in a conflict over senkaku islands, we are committed by treaty to defend japan. as soon as we do anything with respect to that, there'll be riots in the street in china just like there were in 2012 for the japanese. and our corporations will be subject to all manner of destruction, boycotts and the like. >> but that -- that's a doomsday scenario. >> no, it's not doomsday. it's a realistic scenario. because china is the only country in the world, now that's really preparing to go to war against our country. and i think we've got to be realistic. brazil we would never have this concern. >> is this realistic? >> no, i think what is realistic
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is that inside china now, growth is slower than it was. absolutely there are issues there. the -- the growth of china getting to be larger than the u.s., i agree with peter, that's going to be a huge story. >> what about this -- >> it's going to go on for decades. >> what about this military? >> why are we pivoting to asia? why are we pivoting to asia with our military? ask that question. and then look at the implications if you look at that from the perspective of beijing. they see us pivoting to asia and thinking we're just trying to contain them like it's the 1950s against russia. that's -- that's incendiary. >> you say the market's not ready for prime time in china. would you put more than 10% or 20% of your production facilities in china given what he just said? >> depends on what you're putting them in there for. the game to import back here is finished and manufacturing is actually moving out of southern china elsewhere into asia right now. but moving operations in order
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to service that growing chinese consumer. it's a local manufacturing, local market, rising middle class story. that story's going to get bigger. >> i totally agree with john on that. they put all sorts of regulatory barriers to get into that market. but if you're trying to produce there to sell to europe or to the u.s. or to africa or whatever, don't go there. go beyond. the reason is because you don't want that exposure. >> we've got to leave the conversation there. it's a debate i'm sure will continue. peter, john, thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. >> did you see irvine? >> yep. >> i believe that's the only college that offers a walking dead survival online course. did you know that? >> really? >> honest to god. >> no. >> did not know. coming up -- >> i don't know whether he knew about it. >> what can you take away broadly? >> i mean, there's a lot of
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welcome back welcome back to "squawk box," everyone. a popular mobile messaging service may be moving closer to the day it goes public. according to the "wall street journa journal", snapchat is considering a second round of fund raising perhaps as much as $200 million. just a few months ago, snapchat raised about $60 million and valued the company at about $800 million overall. the reported new round might value snapchat as high as $4 billion. snapchat is a service whose messages completely disappear after a short time just a matter of seconds. it doesn't yet make money but its usage is soaring. when we come back, apple
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. welcome back to . welcome back to "squawk box." futures right now indicated down. i can tell you that merck is now down about $1. >> i was trying to figure out the broader weakness. you know, we started up with futures up about 35 points because asia ended very strongly too. >> merck missed on a diabetes drug. and the estimate was $793 million and it was $702 million, and that has analysts saying they're going to have to back off the prior guidance of mid single digit year on year. it's the most important drug now, diabetes drug. and that was below expectations. that's what people are attributing -- or because the company just if on adjusted basis, it beat expectations. let's look at some stocks to watch in today's trading. reported quarterly profit of $2.35 a share. what a stock. somehow icahn was in here too.
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beating estimates of 210, revenue above consensus driven by sales of the company's multiple sclerosis treatment. and biogen also raising the full-year outlook. roper industries missed estimates by 3 cents, third quarter profit of $1.32 a share. revenue also fell short. cut the full-year forecast saying growth in some of the markets will be slower than expected during the current quarter. and andrew met john ritter on the set of -- >> years ago. >> three's company. >> do you remember who follows -- who followed mr. roper? there was a lot of changes. do you remember? i finally came up with it. >> who? >> don knots. >> loved him. >> yeah. >> i thought about wearing an ascot back then. >> oh, my god. oh, my god. >> what? >> i had a bow tie. >> that's priceless. you've got to invite me back for
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that date. >> i don't know how to tie a bow tie and i don't know how to work excel. and crocs is taking a hit this morning. >> i'm not allowed to go outside with them. >> your wife has a lot of rules. >> there are a lot of rules. >> there's a lot of rules. >> no cargo shorts. >> no crocs. >> no sex during the week. >> where did you -- that -- i didn't know about that rule. >> tmi. >> downgraded from neutral to over -- >> because she's not home during the week. no, kidding. neutral to overweight, which cites promotional discounts. and shares of consol energy lower this morning. consol has agreed to sell a coal mining subsidiary for -- why are you glaring at me? put your sunglasses on. only during the week. that's right, you guys got that. brett harvey will be on "squawk on the street" a little bit later. to talk about the deal.
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you have a 2-year-old. so, this is like -- anyway, go ahead. >> all right. apple is due to report its fiscal fourth quarter earnings after the close of trading. it's coming after the close of trading today, the focus is expected to center on the company's guidance for the first quarter. joining us right now with his expectations for apple's earnings is the analyst at hudson square research. and dan, you raised your guidance recently, or your expectations for what you think for this current quarter. why did you raise it? >> well, it was really just the, yeah, growth of the sales, they already reported on the iphone and actually issued an 8k at that time saying the revenues and earnings would come in at the higher end of the guidance. really the quarter almost doesn't matter because they've kind of given it to us already. so as has been the case for the last year or so, what's much more important is the guidance. and i think on that thing, we're a little bit constrained because last year this time, they launched the iphone in china in
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the december quarter, not september, so we had a bit of the pull forward in the sales report tonight. taking a look at kind of a step back. i think the issue for apple is tonight they report not only the quarter, but the end of the fiscal year. and earnings for the full year, i mean, down about 9%, year-over-year. a year ago when we report the year, earnings were up 60%. so if you really want to explain why the stock went from 700 to 400 and now at 500 and change is earnings decline. they didn't slow, they declined. and so the real key for apple is can earnings grow again. when they're going to grow again and by how much. right now we're forecasting a moderate recovery in earnings next year. but historically, when you see that kind of second derivative go positive like that and hit the bottom of earnings. earnings are going back up. i think it's a pretty positive
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story. i think that gets me kind of excited. >> you do think they will accelerate again? is that because you think there's going to be new innovations? or is that because you think they just keep coming out with similar things like we've seen this year? what happens? >> yeah, i think it's a combination of those things. just from a tactical perspective. you know, a year ago, they introduced the ipad mini which dramatically lowered their gross margins. >> was that only a year ago? >> yeah. >> wow. >> and now -- listen, the ipad's only 3 years old. this is a complete change in computing technology and that's -- it's still really new in the process. i think ipad has a lot of room to grow. one anecdote, we do this annual college survey. and you would think every college kid would have a tablet by now let alone an ipad, but only 40% of our kids in the college survey this year have a tablet. whether it was amazon or google's or apples. there's tremendous room for growth. but the ipad, next year we'll overlap.
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we're going to overlap that step down in gross margins. and so kind of resets the bar. so unless they're introducing a lot of new products that lower gross margin than i think what we saw last week is not doing that. they actually raised the price of the ipad. they're bundling more software into that. but giving away all the updates for free for the mac and give you iwork and ilife for free. they raised the price of the hardware. we're seeing a bottoming of earnings this quarter, earnings start to rise gradually. we're off to the races with earnings growth. and at 12 times earnings, no one's really pricing in dramatic earnings increases. no one's really thinking they're going to innovate again. >> dan, question on this whole software bundling thing. do you actually think the consumer says to themselves, wow, i'm -- the price of this machine went up but i get all this free stuff so it's actually worth it? or do you they say to themselves, wow, the price went
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up and they don't always appreciate all the add-ones that the software ultimately costs them? >> yeah, that's a great question. and i like to believe that apple is really a luxury good. it's a luxury product. and when you go buy a luxury good, you're not expecting to have to do a lot of work for it. you're not expecting to have to, you know, attach yourself, to have to sit there and nickel and dime or getting leather seats in your car or sunroof. that comes in a mercedes, that comes in an audi, it's there. you're getting the service, the sort of door to door service when your car breaks down. i think that apple was a lux luxury product. they're pricing it, servicing you like a luxury good. for their consumers, they do get it. but does the broad market understand what's being bundled in? and probably not. >> all right. >> real quickly, your price target is what? the stock is trading right now at $525.
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>> right. well, listen, if the -- if apple were to trade on par with the s&p, saying this is just an average company in the s&p 500, 15, 16 times earnings, gets you close to $700. i don't think we get there tomorrow. but i think it's definitely not an average company. i think it's an above average company. but right now, you know, doesn't look like that way. growth is expensive right now. you want growth, you've got to pay. twitter is 233 times adjusted ebitda this year. right. so you've really got to pay up for growth. and i think that at 12 times earnings, you're not paying a lot for apple to potentially innovate again and i think they will. >> okay. dan, thanks a lot, great talking to you. >> thank you. when we come back, we'll get a read on the consumer. we have the chairman and ceo of ethan allen interiors. he'll join us onset to talk about the latest quarters. stick around, "squawk" will be right back. when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals:
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welcome back welcome back to "squawk box," everyone. the futures this morning are a little bit weaker. dow futures down by about 14 points, s&p off by over one point. weak numbers from merck. and that stock has been indicated lower this morning too. >> okay. ethan allen slid 10%, reporting a drop in demand and a cautious consumer. joining us now, chairman and president and ceo of ethan allen interiors and an old friend of
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the show. great to have you in because it's -- how better to really look at what's happening in housing? and i hate this term that you start with. it really is kind of a new normal right now. have you ratcheted down overall expectations after what we went through? >> yeah, well, good to see you again. >> yes. >> it has been some time. >> it has been. >> you know, we are actually going the other way. we have an initiative that is the largest in the last 10 or 15 years. going from a leader in furniture to leader in whole fashion. we launched this in september and really right now in october at a time when we have had all this concern about a government shutdown and everything else. now having said this, yes, the business has been affected to some degree. but, you know, we have to think of the future. we have to make sure that we
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position ourselves. we're a vertically integrated company. six months, one year, two years from now, not what's going to happen in the next week. so we are taking a very strong but, of course, cautiously position of expanding our offerings, expanding our reach. you can hire people. we've got to take steps and, in fact, you know, when i listen to the news, it gets you somewhat concerned and you say you better back off. but we cannot back off. we to remain cautiously optimistic and move forward and that's what we're doing. >> there is something that -- what do you always say? around this table. around this table. we talk a lot about main street and wall street and the difference between the haves and have nots. you make the point that not everyone is doing as well as maybe 10, 15 years ago. you need to sell to the high end. are you high enough end at this point? >> well, we have to do more than that. i've got something -- a present for you. we are launching a program.
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our whole marketing under this brand -- >> i don't even know what that means. >> i'll tell you what it means. >> you're eclectic, aren't you, andrew? >> yes. this is wonderful stuff. >> it means some people today are interested in color. interested in mixing in styles. they do not really want to live in one style. so this question of being, you know, upper -- going to the upper end or the lower end, no. we are today reaching our core customers still a baby boomer. but what we are doing is through our efforts reaching what you call the gen xs, a wider consumer base. right here, we have -- >> trying to reach you. they've been reaching me, the baby boomer. >> i have a question, which is you've looked at the success, i have to imagine you've seen the success of what restoration hardware has done, which i think -- have they rebranded themselves officially as rh now? or is that for some of the stuff? >> they are in the process of using both names. >> what do you make of two things, one in terms of what
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they've done in terms of positioning themselves and other places and two, the stock's been on a run and i imagine that's where you'd like to be. >> well, they've done a good job. they have only in the last three years repositioned themselves. their focus has been to build a great amount of sales. and i would think that profitability probably will come later. but in our case, you know, we are an 80-year young enterprise, vertically integrated. we run our business for a longer term. if our objective was really only looking at the stock price, our strategies might have been somewhat different. but that's not what it is. their strategy is different. strategy is to build a business -- >> over the longer term. >> when you say this has become a fashion business at some level. that makes it harder. fashions go in vogue, out of vogue, the styles change and they change even faster when you position yourselves as a fashion brand as opposed to a furniture
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brand. >> you know, we don't have an option. you know, we have done many reinventions. 30 years back, when we reinvented, we thought we did it for 10, 15 years, we were okay. today the cycle has become shorter and shorter. today, an organization, restoration hardware, they've done this in the last three years, good job. today, if we do not do what we're doing, we're going to be left behind. becoming a fashion brand means you are relevant, reaching a larger consumer base and that's why we're doing it. >> are people changing their living rooms and dining rooms repeatedly? meaning, i grew up in a house, frankly, if you go to my parents' house, the dining room we had as a child is the dining room we have today. >> yep. >> are people every five or ten years deciding that they need to refresh the entire living room or dining room? >> what they're doing is like you do in fashion. it's the accessories, the jewelry that makes it. if you take a look at what we're
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doing. and, in fact, what i just gave the october magazine. you'll see great amount of fashion through textiles, through color, through fabrics, through accessories. that's what people are changing, yes. i don't think many people are going to change their whole bedrooms and dining rooms. but they are going to update it as we do our clothing. >> are you trying to make these investments to grab more market share? or do you think you've got a rising market? is your market shrinking? >> well, there are a number of factors. first of all, as i said, we have to be relevant. the consumer today is eclectic, which means, today the way you dress, what you eat, even automobiles have color, cell phones have color. color and mixing of styles has become important. what we're doing is we're becoming relevant in the way we reach our consumers. and then the gen xs have somewhat a different perspective than the baby boomers. they are much more willing to
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mix styles. the baby boomers are somewhat comfortable in living with one style. so today, whether it is fashion, clothing, whether it is home, whether it is automobiles, you have to be eclectic. means you are comfortable with mixing styles and you're bringing color. and what we do is through our 2,000 interior design es, we provide a service unlike a lot of other companies. >> you're all over the place too. that's hard too, figure out fashions around the world, right? >> but fashion is becoming somewhat more universal. 30, 40 years back if you went to, let's say one of these exhibitions in europe, there was a rule for the italian fashion, french fashion, germans, americans, not anymore. and especially if you look at the younger people at the way they're dressed, you can't differentiate. fashion is becoming more and more universal. some differences, but our focus is, of course, we cannot reach
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. . . . . . welcome back to "squawk box." let's get down to the new york stock exchange where jim cramer joins us now. we could go a lot of places. where do you want to go? >> pharmaceuticals, biogen,
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very, very exciting stuff there. bristol-myers as more of a cancer biotech play in the constructs of a regular phrma. that diabetes drug, i can't believe that is down. >> we have apple coming up after the bell. what do you do ahead of it? >> your guess was right. i think a little bit of revenue and you are in good shape. this stock has got in icon bluff in that if they deliver gross margins, you can see the stock can slip back. the bar has been raised by icon, which is a shame. it is a new product story. i think they are good. i can't tell you i think it is a great trade. it has had a great trade ahead of the quarter. >> do you think icahn is a good thing or a bad thing for apple? >> the focus is on innovation.
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they have an opponent, samsung, that is also about innovation. i believe with carl that you should maximize your cash position. any eye off the ball against samsung is a second you can't have. the proposals that carl wants, by are buybacks, don't grow the company. anything else is a side show. carl is about discipline and doing good things in many different companies. in this particular company, you need that cash to be used for growth. the focus needs to be on the product. it just -- his whole analysis is so product void that it just captured the wrong soul of apple. >> jimbo, will you join me? i want to rise above too. everybody has their own vision of rising above and winning the u.s. back. some people think that it's -- that we're telling congress to lay down and do whatever the
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white house wants. i have a different take. i'm talking to the white house too. the report, an editorial about u.s. corporations. if you take in everything they have paid in taxes, 25% plus. 31 out of 34 countries have been lowering the taxes. only chile, norway and the united states are the only ones that haven't. don't you think we would get more jobs? isn't that the one thing? the president has been amenable to it. that's the one thing we could do in the next three months. lower the corporate tax. >> yes, make a deal with the company. the president may think, harks they brought the money back and all they did was raise the dividend. >> but lower the rate, bring back -- >> it's crazy. we have companies moving to ireland. ireland is very, very robust economy now. what's the point of that? >> they are still focused on borrowing more money from china and using government money to create jobs. this is the way to create jobs.
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>> given the fact our labor costs are low and our energy costs are among the best in the world, there is really no reason not to do business here. if we do business overseas, labor is much cheaper and energy much cheaper. both are in the squeeze box. let them send it can ba. start building plants where there is oil and gas. >> get away from the progressive notion of punitive measures against businesses. there is a disconnect between who creates the jobs and you have got to embrace. you have to embrace corporate america if you want jobs. >> when we were doing the spot, i said, why don't we have a ten-point plan to create jobs. neither side is against creating jobs. they both don't have any momentum towards it. yours is a great idea. you want to create jobs, tell everybody, bring the money back n you know we are the cheapest place to build. you have to get the money repatriated. i want to cut those rates.
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tapering until next year. they are going to have to say something that tells us about the path that could disappoint to the down side. >> we don't want to hear anything about tapering. the markets have decided we are not listening. >> they are going to have to say something to get the other members of the committee on board. >> my pleasure. thanks, everybody. squ"squawk on the street" begins right now. our our thoughts are with lou reed. i'm carl quintanilla with jim cramer and david faber at the new york stock exchange the final week of october as stocks extend their winning streak to three weeks. apple reported tonight. a fed meeting starting tomorrow. ten-year yield above 25, we have some twos, fives, and seventh on deck.